Montgomery captured in 1942
According to Stepehen Bungay's 'Alamein' on 7th November due to confusion on what has in Allied hands and what was not, Montgomery was nearly captured around Mersa Matruh. What would have been the...
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ICS wrote:Like it or not, Ike would have to get round Churchill to be able to sack Monty seeing he was the UK choice in the partnership. A lot of the Supreme command was politics rather than military...
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Ike was an administrator. You make it sound like that's a bad thing. I have learned in my life that underpinning every successful human venture is good admin and excellent leadership. And either one...
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Lord Lieutenant wrote:Ike was an administrator. You make it sound like that's a bad thing. I have learned in my life that underpinning every successful human venture is good admin and excellent...
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I can't see how someone can get so high in an organisation without having a very big ego and a very high sense of self Good point but Monty and for that matter Patton seem to have exceeded the...
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"Ike would have to get round Churchill to be able to sack Monty" And that's what it took to save his job: Churchill's personal intervention via FDR and Marshall. Ike had already drafted the order.
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"Ike was an administrator." And Monty wasn't? That was in fact his principal virtue: logistics, organization, training, morale: a British McClellan. (And in both cases that's a compliment, not a slam).
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angus wrote:Larrikin22 wrote:angus wrote:No Monty = a greater role for Alexander, no Market Garden, probably the approaches to Antwerp captured when they should be.No Monty = at the very least Allied...
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The single most important Monty contribution at D Day was realising that the original plan shown to him on appaiontment as ground commander was that it was far too small and it needed to be vastly...
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If the weather is unsuitable how could they not? What effect the storm that wrecked the Mulberries if the landings are a month later? edit - None, 19th of June so they wouldn't be there. That could...
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"And from the landing all the way through to the breakout it was Montgomery's battle." Bullhockey. Monty's self-serving post-facto bragging, as baseless as his post-Bulge bragging.
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I thought he was the overall ground commander. That would give him all the credit and all the blame, unless someone wasn't doing as they were ordered.
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ICS wrote: Ike was an administrator. Ian S.Haven't many military campaigns failed because of bad administration? If Ike could not organize and manage -- administer -- the thousands of threads...
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ChrisPat wrote:I thought he was the overall ground commander. That would give him all the credit and all the blame, unless someone wasn't doing as they were ordered.And Bradley, properly or not, kept...
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IcelofAngeln says 'Bullhockey. Monty's self-serving post-facto bragging, as baseless as his post-Bulge bragging. And Bradley, properly or not, kept him completely out of the loop on Cobra, which was...
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Not invented at all: I recommend Hastings' Overlord, which shows it very clearly from Monty's own correspondence among many other primary sources. Montgomery intended the breakout from the get-go to...
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Hastings is one of those authors who believe the sun shone out the German soldiers *r*e. His work is very dated and one-sided. He barely has a good work for any Allied General never mind Monty. I have...
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Currently reading Overlord by Max Hastings, and finding it most interesting. I have visited the Normandy battlefields several times (20 years ago when I was younger and care-free), and even met...
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Monty was a lot like Dugout Doug - they both believed their press clippings.
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